If you follow the work of either Jordan Peterson or Sam Harris you’ve no doubt seen them engage each other in various ways over the past year or so. Jordan is wrong to hide behind his custom-built, intellectually-nuanced, and utility-based belief system that he’s constructed because it’s obvious to Sam and his audience that to most people that Jordan just looks like a religious apologist. I'm actually religious and a huge Jordan Peterson fan but I gave the first debate to Sam Harris. Since I have known Sam longer, and therefore share more of his intuitions, I too saw this as a major flaw in Jordan, and I still do. They talk about each other to their respective audiences, and now they have a new video podcast series together in Vancouver, moderated by Bret Weinstein. He simply refuses to concede that the world may consist of something more than just an aggregate of facts. That to me would solve everything between he and Sam, since Sam has already said that he likes the infrastructure Jordan has built. My frustration in watching all this is that the disconnect seems obvious and avoidable. While Sam is first and foremost someone who protects objective truth from the irrational, Jordan is fundamentally someone who wants to help people, and he’s willing to use various tricks to accomplish that goal. By Daniel Miessler in Philosophy Created/Updated: September 5, 2018. Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson have engaged in a series of debates that included Bret Weinstein and Douglas Murray as moderators, in addition to two podcasts. Anything that is good and useful in it (which he admits there is some) can be found in other ways that don’t require belief in the supernatural. Victory, or defeat, implies a finality to the question. Sam sees harm in believing things that aren’t true, and much of his career is based on fighting those things. It becomes so much clearer and easier to understand when you look at the situation logically/scientifically - black and white - without nuance. There could be some nuance here that’s not captured, but this is the basic idea of what he was saying. So thank you to Sam, Bret, and all his guests that have been participating in this new type of discourse-based entertainment. If you're already a subscriber, manage your subscription settings here. He formerly taught at Harvard University and has published numerous articles on drug abuse, alcoholism and aggression. That’s not helpful, as it keeps us tied to all the negatives that come with primitive religion.A possible Sam Harris. Sam’s position is that: When I say tricks, I don’t mean that pejoratively. I would rephrase the question this way: Did Harris open your mind to something new—or did Peterson? In this episode of the Making Sense podcast, Sam Harris speaks with psychologist Jordan B. Peterson about freedom of speech and the nature of truth. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Lawblaw Black Belt. In short, Jordan should try to become more Sam-like in his clear delineation of the supernatural and the factual, and Sam should try to become more Jordan-like in his willingness to create a meaning infrastructure for those who need it. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Topics like pro life/pro choice. I spend 5-20 hours a week consuming books, articles, and podcasts, and every Monday morning I send out the best of what I found. And by not making that clear, while he uses religious language and symbology, it makes it look like he’s simply a new type of religious leader. Discussion in 'The War Room' started by Lawblaw, Aug 17, 2019. So Jordan sees value in all these traditional stories and narratives, and he wants to use that value to help people. This sent Sam into orbit, from which he seemed content to rain laser blasts upon Jordan’s head. What I have been doing is studying the patterns for these narratives and rituals for decades, and using that knowledge to help people improve their lives.A possible Jordan Peterson. It used to be that people would show up to watch people engage in dialectic, and I am overjoyed to see this as a possible form of entertainment (and enrichment) again. 3 thoughts on “ Podcast review #1: Sam Harris & Jordan Peterson in conversation ” davidjsimpson1952. He should say something like this: I am not a believer in the supernatural, or in any God, but I do believe that there are powerful forces within us humans, instilled by evolutionary biology, that work and can be controlled in large extent by the use of narrative, ritual, and story. Jordan B. Peterson is a clinical psychologist and Professor at the University of Toronto. When you do, you find you align with what religion says about it. In his recent Waking Up podcast, Sam Harris, by very popular demand, engaged in discussion with the clinical psychologist Jordan Peterson.The bulk of their conversation centered on epistemology, and the concept of truth in particular. His entire career is based on finding patterns in stories, narratives, cultures, etc., which he then uses to construct a tangible plan to improve peoples’ lives. Opinion Sam Harris Vs Jordan Peterson - Who won? Do you find it funny that theres an all out assault on religion (all of them) and against God himself?

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